and starting a war with iran, after having been so successful in handling the soviet union, which could have killed 85 million americans in 6 hours. i once had a problem like that on my hands. we had a problem with china. we had a problem with north korea. you know, the notion which you could start a war because someday the iranians may have a bomb. and netanyahu has been telling us since 1994 that it will be next year, that is trivial. but i think obama knows -- he's realistic that he has to use force, and he did in iraq, he did in afghanistan. >> but he's got more limited vision of how to -- >> yes. and i think that's sensible because you said no more superpowers. if a superpower means that we have the capacity to dictate, yes, that's true. but we're still the major instrument of potential progress in the world if we apply ourselves. >> right. but look at his policy with iran. it is one of prevention. preventing them from getting the bomb. and that, as you well know, is the hardest policy to carry out. >> right. preventing them and if we don't succeed in preventing them, not in starti